"If we did, we wouldn't be in this business," he agrees; in some ways, he's glad for it. Glad for people who understand.

Even if he can be sad about it, too.

"Normal's overrated. Most of the time," he adds, taking a long sip of spiked coffee. "But I still think we can find something good. Good enough. And I want to make sure it's not just us."

He still wants to get other people out. "I've been trying to figure out how ADI does it. Let people pass." As human, he doesn't say. "So we can do it for them, too."