Well that just gets a sigh. "Unfortunately. I think. I didn't-- I don't know, it wasn't on purpose, I suppose I just wasn't very scared of them after a certain point? It's-- it's a long story."

He's eagar to get the topic off him, so he's going to keep going with the conversation and hope she follows. "If it helps, we've-- you've been doing a really good job. So far. With all the stopping stuff, it's-- it is helping."